Comparing Vedas with Koran or Bible or any other scriptures will not yield the truth, which is hidden by the illusory universe. +

Comparing the Vedas with the Koran, or the Bible, or any other scriptures will not yield the truth, which is hidden by the illusory universe.

Religion was introduced in the past for the benefit of the populace, which is incapable of grasping the ultimate truth, which is beyond form, time, and space.

All the religions of the world are based on form, time, and space. Thus, religion has nothing to do with the pursuit of truth, because the truth is not belief, and religion is based on belief.

The belief is based on the individual, whereas the invisible and unborn Soul, the Self, is not an individual because the invisible and unborn Soul is ever formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

The scriptures are not necessary to realize the ultimate truth, or Brahman, or God, or Spirit. The scriptures are meant for the ignorant populace.

Sage Sankara said: -Neither by the practice of yoga nor philosophy, nor by good works nor by learning, does liberation come, but only through the realization that Atman and Brahman are one in no other way.(1) VivekaChudamani v 56, pg 25

Sage Sankara said:- The world is unreal and Brahman alone is real. It means the birth, life, and death, which happen within the world, have to be unreal. If birth, life, and death are unreal, then the rebirth and reincarnation, and the Avatharic concept have to be unreal.

Thus, it is for the seeker to find out, from what standpoint the world becomes unreal, to know the Brahman, which is the ultimate truth or God in truth.

The ultimate truth or Brahman or God in truth cannot be attained by the study of the scriptures of any religion, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books then why compare Vedas with Bible or Koran or any other religious scriptures to realize the ultimate truth, which is beyond form, time and space.

Katha Upanishad:~ This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom it chooses. To such a one, Atman reveals its own form. (Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20)

Mundaka Upanishad: ~ This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker its true nature. (3 –page-70 Upanishads by Nikilanada)

The above passages further prove that: Self-knowledge cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas and intellectual understanding, or by bookish knowledge.

The Vedas and other scriptures of the other religions are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom.

That is why Bhagavan Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sage Sankara indicated that the truth lies beyond religion, the concept of god, and the scriptures. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

The whole universe and its contents are nothing but an illusion created out of consciousness.+

RB-Q: ~ Santthosh, having read this post, who are we then? I am not asking about the Self, I am asking about us as humans, who are we?

Santthosh Kummar: ~ Dearest brother

If you had asked the same question in a dream, the dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly, the waking becomes unreal when you realize the Self is not you but the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

If the waking is unreal, then your experience of birth, life, death, and the world within the waking experience also is unreal (illusion).

The question is based on the waking entity (you or ego). Whatever is based on the waking entity (ego) is based on the dualistic perspective.

You have to learn to view the worldview from the non-dualistic perspective then only you will be able to have the Soulcentric view of the worldview.

In Advaitic awareness, the ego is not considered as ego, even though the ego is present, the body is not considered as a body even though the body is present, the world which confronts him is not considered as the world even though the world is present, the duality ceases even though the duality is present, because of wisdom everything is considered as consciousness. Thus, there is conscious oneness.

Only in ignorance, the world in which we exist is an illusion created out of the Soul, the Self.

The world is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

People's approach is more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real. That is why all the confusion.

The look of an object will depend upon the medium through which the observer views it. In fact, our mental and intellectual conditions determine the world, observed and experienced. The commoner viewing the world will see it differently from a Gnani viewing the same world. Each one interprets the world that they see in terms of their existing knowledge. The commoner sees everything based on the ego, therefore, he experiences birth, life, death, and the world as a reality, whereas a Gnani sees everything as consciousness and he is fully aware of the fact that there is no second thing that exists other than the invisible Soul or consciousness.

Thus, all the egocentric knowledge has to be bifurcated to realize the ultimate truth, which is beyond form, time, and space.

Remember:~

Rig Veda: ~ 'Prajnanam Brahma'- Consciousness is the ultimate reality or Brahman or God in truth.

Do not accept any other God other than the Soul. The Soul is God in truth. Nothing is real but the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. Nothing matters but realizing God in truth. God in truth is everywhere and in everything. Let these words be inscribed in your subconscious.

God in truth is hidden by the illusory universe. God in truth alone is real and eternal, and all else is an illusion.

Brahman is merely a word to indicate the ultimate truth or God in truth. The ultimate truth itself is God in truth.

Rig Veda: ~ The Atman is the cause; Atman is the support of all that exists in this universe.

Bhagavad Gita says: ~ Brahmano hi pratisthaham ~ Brahman (God in truth) is considered the all-pervading consciousness, which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (14.27).

When Bhagavad Gita says, God is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material, then no second thing exists other than consciousness. Thus, the whole universe and its contents are nothing but an illusion created out of consciousness.

Remember:~

Sage Sankara says you must first know what is before you. If you cannot know that, what else can you know or understand? If you give up the external world in your inquiry, you cannot get the whole truth.

Chandogya Upanishad:~ One who meditates upon and realizes the 'Self' discovers that everything in the cosmos-- energy and space, fire and water, name and form, birth and death, mind and will, word and deed, mantrams and meditation--all come from the Self.

The universe is not different from the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, because the universe is made of consciousness.

Thus, consciousness alone is, and all else (the universe) is merely an illusion. Thus, the illusion is not different from consciousness, which is the ultimate truth, or Brahman or God in truth.

The non-dual consciousness appears as the diverse universe is only an illusion. If it really became diverse, then the immortal would become mortal. The dualist thinkers who seek to prove the origination of the unborn, by that very enterprise, try to make the immortal mortal. Ultimate nature can never change - the immortal can never become mortal and vice versa.

There's no plurality in the nature of the invisible Soul; the Self appears to be many. Those who are attached to creation or production or origination are in ignorance because their approach is more practical, and they are stuck with the reality of the universe (waking) take it as real. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

All the Gurus of the east and west misled the seeking world by glorifying the 'I'.+

Everyone uses the word “truth" and talks of it only from his own imaginary standpoint and not as it is.

People are not even aware of what truth they are seeking. They are seeking the truth of the existence of the invisible Soul, the Self, which is present in the form of consciousness hidden by the 'I'.

All the Gurus of the East and West misled the seeking world by glorifying the 'I'.

Until we discard the 'I-centric' Gurus and their teaching, it is impossible to realize the Self hidden by the 'I'.

Sage Sankara says: ~ “What is accepted without a proper inquiry will not lead a person to the final goal. On the contrary, such acceptance will result only in evil, in something detrimental to our spiritual progress.

Sage Sankara says: ~ A buried treasure is not uncovered by merely uttering the words: “Come forth.” You must follow the right directions, dig, remove the stones and earth from above it, and then make it your own. In the same way, the pure truth of the Atman, which is buried under Maya and the effects of Maya, can be reached by meditation, contemplation, and other spiritual disciplines, but never by perverse arguments.

Sage Sankara: ~ “VC~ All this universe, which through ignorance appears as of diverse forms, is nothing else but Brahman (Consciousness) which is absolutely free from all the limitations of human thought.

When you finally realize the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible and unborn Soul, then you will realize the world in which you exist is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul. The invisible Soul is present in the form of consciousness.

Sage Sankara: ~ VC-63- "Without knowing and examining the universe, one can’t know the Truth, as the idea that the external world exists, won't go. It can only go by an inquiry into the nature of the external world.

Sage Sankara says: - VC-47 All the effects of ignorance, root, and branch, are burnt down by the fire of knowledge, which arises from discrimination between these two—the Self and the non-Self.

Until you think you are an individual separate from the world and the world that existed prior to you, and you are born in it afterward, ignorance will prevail as a reality. Till ignorance is there, the universe prevails as reality.

Sage Sankara says: ~ “The exercise in discrimination between real and unreal and renunciation of the false is real meditation, then why are you indulging in other types of meditation.

Perfect understanding and realization of ‘what is what’ leads to Self-awareness. By holding onto theories, one remains in the realm of duality.

You have to mentally go on dropping what is not the truth through deeper Self-search.

Finally, when you become aware that your ego, your body, and the world are one in essence, then there is Self-awareness in the midst of dualistic illusion or Maya.

Remember:~

Do not search for the truth in the world in which you exist because the world in which you exist hides the truth you are seeking.

The truth is hidden by the world in which you exist because the world in which you exist is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul, the Self, which is present in the form of consciousness. Without the Soul, the world in which you exist ceases to exist.

Realize the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Until you hold the Self, as you will remain in ignorance. You are the false self within the dualistic illusion (Maya).

The dualistic illusion is created out of a single clay. And that single clay is consciousness. Knowledge of the single clay is Advaitic wisdom.

Remember:

Sage Sankara: ~ VC~.63: "Without knowing and examining the external world, one can’t know the Truth, as the idea that the external world exists won't go. It can only go by an inquiry into the nature of the external world.

After verifying through deeper inquiry if one finds the world is the reality within the illusion, then he cannot again say the world is not an illusion.

If one is frightened to accept the world is an illusion (waking), then he is unfit to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

Those who are stuck with the reality of the world are stuck with the reality of the individual experiences of birth, life, and death, which take place within the unreal world.

The pursuit of truth is for those who have the courage to accept reality as it is, that is, the reality without form, time, and space.

All is consciousness. The whole universe is consciousness. From consciousness, the universe comes.

When the universe disappears, the consciousness still remains without form, time, and space.

Sage Sankara: ~ “VC~ All this universe, which through ignorance appears as of diverse forms, is nothing else but Brahman (Consciousness) which is absolutely free from all the limitations of human thought.

When you finally realize the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible Soul, then you will realize the world in which you exist is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul. The invisible Soul is present in the form of consciousness. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Those Gurus who propagate the ‘Self’ as ‘you’, are propagating ignorance.+

Bhagavad Gita says: ~ Among thousands of men, scarcely one strives for perfection; and of those who strive and succeed, scarcely one knows the Self in truth.

The path of wisdom attracts only those who are in search of truth, and they appreciate it greatly. Ignorants are not spiritually mature to receive Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana, or Atma Gnana.

Ignorants indulge in argument and provocation, and personal attack, which hinders their own realization of the ultimate truth or Brahman.

That is why Jesus said: ~ - Do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you. (Matthew 7:6)

~ Jesus meant knowledge of the Spirit, or Self-knowledge, or Brahma Gnana, or Atma Gnana.

Bhagavad Gita says: ~ “Don't unsettle the minds of the ignorant by revealing the esoteric truth."

As the conviction of the invisible Soul, the Self becomes firm, all the inherited religious conditioning false on its own.

First, realize the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Mentally hold on to the Soul and mentally reduce the world in which you exist as consciousness by realizing the world in which you exist is nothing but an illusion created out of consciousness.

Swami Vivekananda: ~Jñāna Yoga is divided into three parts. First: hearing the truth--that the Atman is the only reality and that everything else is Maya. Second: reasoning upon this philosophy from all points of view. Third: giving up all further argumentation and realizing the truth. This realization comes from being certain that Brahman is real and everything else is unreal.

Katha Upanishad says: ~ This Atman is attained by him alone whom It chooses. (II -23-P-20)

Thus, those who have taken the path of wisdom are chosen ones. The chosen one will get the grace of the invisible Soul, the inner Guru.

The path of wisdom is the soulcentric path, whereas all other paths are egocentric. All egocentric paths lead to hallucination.

The invisible Soul, the Self,7 reveals ‘what is real’ and ‘what is unreal' when the seeker is receptive and ready.

Until you hold the Self as you, you will remain as ignorant. Those Gurus who propagate the Self as ‘you’ are propagating ignorance. Following such Gurus is following the path of ignorance.

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You have nothing to do with the invisible Soul, the Self, because your existence is a reality within the illusory form, time, and space. Without the illusory form, time, and space, you cease to exist.

You are the birth entity bound by death, whereas the Soul is birthless and deathless because the Soul is ever formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

That is why Sage Sankara says: ~ V C-65- As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the Self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted arguments.

Remember: ~

There is only one Reality to be known, the same for all seekers, but the ways to it are hidden by religion. Self-discovery is the only way towards the non-dualistic absolute without any religious doctrines, which will help the seekers to unfold the mystery of the illusion in which we all are searching for the truth of our true existence.

There is no higher or lower Self. There is only one Self, which is the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. The world in which we exist is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Thus, the invisible Soul alone is real, and all else is an illusion. Mentally hold on to the invisible Soul and drop the illusion. And rest in the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Realizing the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible Soul, as the Self is Self-realization.

Realizing the Self is not you, but the Self is the invisible Soul, as the Self is Self-realization. : ~Santthosh Kumaar

Until you hold the Self as you, you will remain in the domain of ignorance.+

Until you hold the Self as you, you will remain in the domain of ignorance. Only those who are still in elementary stages hold the Self as the ‘I’ and say everything is within you.

Remember this: Everything is not within you because you are not the Self. You exist within the dualistic illusion.

The dualistic illusion is limited to form, time, and space, whereas the invisible Soul, the Self, is limitless because it is a formless, timeless, and spaceless existence.

If you hold the Self as you, then you will never be able to realize the Self which is beyond the ‘I’

You have nothing to do with the invisible Soul, the Self, which is hidden by the ‘I’.

You have to draw your attention back every time it turns to worldliness (I) and fix it on the invisible Soul, the Self.

Remember this: the ‘I’ is not the Self. The ‘I’ is illusory. The Self is the invisible Soul, which witnesses the coming and going of the ‘I’.

The invisible Soul is permanent and eternal; only the ‘I’ appears and disappears.

The ‘I’ becomes the invisible Soul in deep sleep. The invisible Soul becomes ‘I’ in waking experience.

The ‘I’ is not the witness. The 'I' is an object to the invisible Soul, the Self-which is the subject.

The invisible Soul is the witness of the ‘I’ which comes and goes. Holding the ‘I’ as the witness is a great error.

That is why Bhagavad Gita: ~ The permanent (consciousness) is always there, only the transient ‘I’ comes and goes. (2.18)

The ‘I’ hides the invisible Soul, the Self, which is ever nondual.

You have to draw your attention back every time it turns to worldliness (I) and fix it on the invisible Soul, the Self."

Remember this: the ‘I’ is not the Self. The ‘I’ is illusory. The Self is the invisible Soul, which witnesses the coming and going of the ‘I’.

The invisible Soul is permanent and eternal; only the ‘I’ appears and disappears.

Bhagavad Gita: ~ “You must first see the ‘I’ as illusory before you see others as illusory. ~ CH.2 v.16

The ‘I’ is present in the form of the mind. The mind is present in the form of the universe. The universe appears as the waking or the dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality).

The witness of the appearance of appearance and disappearance is the invisible Soul, which is the Self. From the standpoint of the invisible Soul, the three states are one in essence. That essence is the Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

In reality, the witness (Soul) and the witnessed (three states) are one in essence.: ~ Santthosh Kumaar

You have nothing to do with the Self. Self-realization is possible only when you realize the Self, not you but the invsible Soul.+

You have nothing to do with the Self. Self-realization is possible only when you realize you are not the Self, but the Self is the invisible and unborn Soul.

Until you think the Self is within you, you will never be able to realize what the Self is in actuality.

Those who preached that the Self is within you propagated only cocktail knowledge.

The Self is the invisible Soul hidden by the illusory world in which you exist, because the Self is not an entity or identity within the illusory world in which you exist.

The invincible Soul, the Self, pervades the whole world in which you exist.

The Self is the cause of the world in which you exist, and it, itself, is uncaused. The Self is the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Without consciousness, the world in which you exist ceases to exist. Perfect understanding of ‘what is what’ leads to Self-realization.

Remember:~

Second Mundaka - Chapter 2 (9) - There the stainless and indivisible Brahman shines in the highest, golden sheath. It is pure; it is the Light of lights; it is that which they know who knows the Self.

Second Mundaka - Chapter 2 (10) - The sun does not shine there, nor the moon and the stars, nor this lightning, not to speak of this fire. When the Soul, the Self, shines, everything shines after the invisible Soul; by its light, everything is lighted.

The invisible Soul appears as the universe in the waking, and the universe disappears as the Soul in deep sleep.

The invisible Soul is the universe, and the universe is the invisible Soul. The universe is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

The illusion and reality are nothing but consciousness. Thus, consciousness alone is real and eternal.

When the Advaitic wisdom dawns, then this world in which you exist, which you think it as reality, becomes unreal.

The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place. That means the dream entity, people within the dream, and the dream world become unreal. In the same way, the waking experience becomes unreal when Advaitic wisdom dawns.

Advaitic wisdom dawns when you realize the world in which you exist is merely an illusion created out of the invisible Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

A person who stamped his foot on the ground to refute, to show the world, is real, ignores that in the dream he would do exactly the same--stamp his dream foot on the ground and assert it to be real.

Second Mundaka - Chapter 2 (11) - That immortal Brahman (Athma) alone is before, that Brahman is behind, that Brahman is to the right and left. Brahman alone pervades everything above and below; this universe is that Supreme Brahman alone. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Why you are sticking to a Guru who is not a Gnani.+

Someone posing as a Gnani is not a Gnani. If someone poses himself as a direct disciple

le of some guru cannot be a Gnani. Those who pose themselves as Gnanis are not Gnanis.

A Gnani never poses himself as a Guru, a swami, a sadhu, or a yogi, or some Guru’s disciple.

Sage Sankara clearly indicates in Viveka Chudamani (2):~ Knower of the Atman (A Gnani) "bears no outward mark of a holy man" (Stanza 539).

Select Works of Sage Sankara" also his commentary on Brihad: ~ “Though I wear these robes of a Sanyasin, it is only for the sake of bread."

Sage Sankara wore a Guru's robe only for the sake of the ignorant. So he was identified as a Guru with a parampara by religious people. For the truth seekers, Sage Sankara is a Brahma Gnani.

Thus, it proves that the religious gurus and yogis are not Gnanis because they identified themselves as holy people.

Thus, it proves that Sage Sankara meant, taking sanyasa and wearing the religious robes to earn bread. Sanyasa is not a qualification to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana, or Atma Gnana

Sage Sankara says the transparent truth of the Self, which is hidden by the illusion, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman (Gnani)

~ then why are you sticking to a Guru who is not a Gnani. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar

Vedas bar human worship. There is no need for the seeker of truth to indulge in glorifying the Gurus and worship them as Gods.+

Vedas bar human worship. There is no need for the seeker of truth to indulge in glorifying the Gurus and worship them as Gods.

The seeker has to go beyond religion. Going beyond religion means going beyond the belief in a religious God to realize the real God hidden by ignorance.

When one goes into the annals of history, it looks like the true Advaita expounded by Sage Sankara and Sage Goudapada was lost or mutilated by the orthodoxy because the orthodoxy's preaching and practice do not match. Orthodoxy talks of Advaita, but their practice is dualistic.

The orthodoxy has nothing to do with Advaita because they are based on the experience of birth, life, death, and the world, whereas Advaita is based on the Soul, which is ever birthless and deathless, and wordless.

There is no use of prostration to holy sandals of the Guru or indulging in Pada Pooja (feet worship) when the inner Guru is the Soul, the ‘Self’, which is ever formless.

The guru who identifies with his experience of birth, life, death, and the world, and the disciple who worships his guru’s body, will remain ignorant of the truth beyond form, time, and space.

Without getting rid of the ignorance, they will never get freedom from experiencing the dualistic illusion as reality.

People think that prostrating to a religious Guru, adoring which the worst poverty-stricken have turned out to be great possessors of wealth, and even the mutes have turned out to be great masters of speech, are ideas based on the dualistic perspective is meant for the ignorant populace that accepts the world as a reality.

From the standpoint of the Soul, the Self, the world in which birth, life, and death take place is merely an illusion.

People think that prostrating to the physical Guru, which serves as the downpour of water to put out the fire of misfortunes, removes the groups of distress of those who prostrate to them.

The devotion to the physical Guru and grace with the valuable dominion of renunciation is the religious idea.

All religious beliefs have nothing to do with the ultimate truth or Brahman.

The devotion to the physical Guru and the grace with the valuable dominion of renunciation is the religious idea.

A person who realizes the ultimate truth or Brahman will throw off his religious robe and his religious identity and become free from experiencing the illusory duality as a reality.

Why worship and glorify the Gurus and Yogis when Vedas bar human worship: ~

Yajur Veda

Translation 3

"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, But those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time."- [Yajur Veda 40:9.]

Then why worship and glorify the GURUS and YOGIS (human form) in place of God when Veda bars such activities and it also warns people who indulge in such activities are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time. :~Santthosh Kumaar 

Those Gurus who indulge head and heart game keep you in the prison of emotions. The emotion belongs to ignorance.+

The Self is not within the human heart. The world in which you exist hides the invisible Soul, which is the Spiritual heart.

Those who are stuck up with head and heart will not be able to unfold the mystery of their true existence.

When you realize the Self is not the body, then the question of the Self within the heart does not arise. The poets use the word heart to indicate the center of existence.

When the whole universe is created out of the invisible Soul, the Self, which is present in the form of consciousness, still, you are thinking the Self is within the human heart; you are not a wise seeker.

Those Gurus who indulge in head and heart games keep you in the prison of emotions. The emotion belongs to ignorance.

Some gurus propagate that the Nadi you refer to is called Amrita Nadi. It connects the Spiritual Heart with the Sahasrara. It is best to merge in the Heart and then see that the Heart is beyond time and space.

But remember:~

When the ‘Self’ is not the body, then the question of the Nadi or Amrita Nadi, or Sahasrara, does not arise.

Until we think the Self is within the body, it is impossible to cross the threshold of dualistic illusion.

Deeper self-search reveals that the Self is not the body, so why bring Nadi, chakras when they are part and parcel of the body.

Deeper self-search reveals that the Self is neither the body nor the ‘I’. Thus, one has to go beyond the ‘I’ meaning beyond form, time, and space. : ~ Santthosh Kumaar